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so hey this is alternative careers we are going to have a conversation about our jobs in fashion what we thought would happen what actually happened and what might be useful to you guys and in that vein before we start I just want a quick show of hands how many of you guys are still in school okay how many of you guys have just graduated how many of you already have a job in fashion not internship how many of you have a job okay great that is good so it seems like most of you guys are trying to figure out what happens when you graduate those first steps you know first and second jobs so we'll try and keep the advice and the discussion about that rather than what happens when you're the CEO although we can definitely talk about that too um so here's what's gonna happen I'm going to sit down and first I want everyone to introduce themselves I want to know your job now and I want to know your first job not internship a job in the fashion industry if you had one okay I'm Danielle McCrory I'm the senior digital director at kc d my first job in fashion while i started on the fashion track working in retail in high school and then I kind of stayed on that path but my first job in an office was working for a small accessories company where I supported the owner of the company doing everything on the creative side from like overseeing designs to marketing to PR to all of that hey guys who I am valentine your hopes came with fashion vengeance a tumblr and my first job ever was actually working at IMG's the daily front row and I think I was 22 at a time I was a huge actually tennis fanatic and IM jus just bought tennis week magazine and i thought that was like my dream job but we had very creative editor there and name brand new sony or who you do fashion out to like three days later sets are doing fashion and it's an impartial kind of overtook stuff just couple of weeks later and I think I was there for four for four years which was which was awesome hi my name is Samantha gold room we own a company called 1229 we create scents fragrances for brands and I guess my first job in fashion was sending their dart a show about four years ago fans conv like head in all feet go which was really inspiring a lot of fun pretty difficult and I turned out pretty well I think I'm Don gold room i'm the co-founder of 1229 I know if this was on and a scent director I think my first job in fashion I started in retail as well when I was in high school and I think my first job outside of that was probably at british vogue I guess when I was in London I was there for a bit so your first job I'm Julian orsini and i own a company called the wardrobe and I archive and managed the collections of designers and private people with huge closets my very first job in fashion was also retail at Ralph Lauren on Long Island in high school and the first job paying job I had doing something I wanted to was working on a bunch of prototypes for green yard in public okay cool so let's start with internships I think that there is an assumption probably based on the hills that you that you get an internship it automatically leads to a job and that not only that but it's you know you learn that you would give anything to be there even after interning I'm not sure that's true I think you guys are probably not sure that's true so let's talk about what you should be looking for in an internship when people come to you and they say I want to work for you what are the things that they should expect to learn from you guys and what are the things that you actually did learn from your internships yeah go for it well i think i'll start by saying I stress the importance of internships internships are a great way to get your foot in the door it is a lot more effective than trying to send a resume for an entry-level job to go into a company and make a personal impression is really the first best step to your point about internships turning into jobs they can speak from our quesadilla experience we have an intern program that then turns into sort of a freelance program and we definitely hire from it and I would say that probably eighty percent of our new entry-level jobs are hard from that program but that still may be five jobs a year where we probably have 60 in terms of year come in so i think i can certainly lead to opportunities and the ones that get the jobs are the ones that really made the most out of the experience yes absolutely I worked on a much smaller scale but everybody that turns into a freelancer for me or an employee started as an intern and it's all about you know expanding your network the first people that I interned for are still people that I connect with in my career that still help me today even though we do different things so it's about I think at this stage of your career meeting as many people as you can and you know kind of seeing what fits and what's right for you okay that makes sense I think I mean definitely we would say the same thing working in fashion is all about kind of who you know who you meet making those connections keeping those connections doing internships getting experience doing different things as well so when you know you're young and you're just starting out you want to be able to say you've worked with different people at different places and not just doing one thing of course unless you know you're on kind of one track which I don't think most of us do yeah I would also just add to that that even if you do know you want to do one thing you're gonna be better at that one thing if you understand all of the other you know outlets that connects about one thing yeah um I think that I actually worked in PR for about two seconds just helping people well when I first moved and you know I needed me helping people write press releases and you know and it gave me as a fashion editor a better idea of how to work with publicist because I knew what they wanted and it wasn't sadly just to take me out for drinks um yeah we can do that too so um speaking a little bit about doing different things but also about what you guys were talking about with connections I know right now I feel like a big industry buzz word as personal branding um how important or how good an idea is it to begin your personal branding before you've established yourself in the industry I very much think personal branding is about perfume of course because that's what we do and I think the perfume that you where is your signature and your personal branding I'm like a perfume loyalist i wear my perfume for 15 years and I never change well that's not sure I work for 15 years I changed for the next 15 and then I guess I'll change 15 years later and so I think you can probably start wearing your perfume now if you have a strong sense of who you are in terms of personal branding and as your style I mean I guess it depends I think fashion moves so quickly now it's very trendy that I would be careful to say release with what goes up online it never comes down once it's up there it's kind of up there it's really difficult to get photos and films taken down so I would be a very careful because what translates from a social community to a professional community can be very different and in fashion they kind of blur so part of you know working in fashion is you know making those connections and is working you know you work past five o'clock you get a lot of events you get a lot of engagements where you meet people and so your personal life becomes your work life and it all kind of jumbles into one another and your friends or people that you work with so it can get confusing in that sense and the whole idea of personal branding I came from the corporate world before we started this company and they talked a lot about creating your personal brands and I think it's really hard to do when you don't have you know a big resume behind you a professional identity and yeah professional identity so it takes time to build you can wear your perfume that you choose and then maybe style yourself but I think it evolves as you get more experience and and your branding just like for a company just like if someone was to create a brand it takes time it means the history in the background okay Valentine can I get you to weigh in because I know that people start their tumblers with an eye on you know establishing a visual preppy or they are and i think that's that's sort of a fantastic start as well you know i mean we live in a complete a different age right now i think when i was younger when we would apply to internships you know you literally at like sin taxes I don't you know guys know what that is well I get to like physically goings like Stoke people Malcolm people's doors and right now it's very different world right now you can actually you know have an ability to create a visual band whether it's through a tumbler beautiful Instagram page or I you know every time every single employee that works at tumblr has a tumblr page and obviously when we interview them they have to go through like this crazy process you know you know we definitely look at their pages we want to see who they are because a lot of the engineers or you know creative and outreach people there you know artists and musicians and they do a lot of really really cool stuff so I think it's very important to sort of establish yourself you know and and be very strategic about sort of what you put online and what you don't put online I mean I interviewed people in many jobs you know and I'm going to help people like tweet at me like maybe five seconds after leave don't leave the door which isn't making his sense you know because you know a lot of times you know the positions that have you know not so public so it doesn't make sense so you have to sort of be you know you have to be smart about you know how you present yourself what what's what's out there and I think tumblr page sort of gives you this you know beautiful and visual and creative possibility really kind of way to subject shall we had tons of bloggers that actually went on to get amazing jobs with really really great companies you know so and I have dozens of examples just to the last year you know and and they really look for people that you know not just present themselves in the sort of in the biographical way but also have really really good visual you know visual and creative aesthetic and you could actually do that I'm gonna rewind for a second before the next question because I think you said something that we would all agree with and that needs to be said over and over again do not tweet when you are leaving a job interview do not tweet when you are leaving an internship interview do not take a picture of the Conde Nast building and put it on your tumblr when you are leaving an internship interview when or a job interview when you have the job great but that's some of the first things that we look at and if you're tweeting from the office before you're even a part of the office community what are you going to do when you're on a photo shoot with a cover star then no one's supposed to know about for six months you know so it's amazing to share where you are in your life don't check in on foursquare don't do it call your mom um I think we all agree with our strict policies with our interns absolutely or because we obviously have a lot of confidential information coming in and out of our office and they are not allowed to yeah we say say anything that they would not have access to if they were not in this building so and they adhere to it but there's been instances where I was gonna say it's happened and we've taken pretty fast not sure raise your hand if you have dismissed somebody who's been a part of your company or your corporate community because of something that they posted online okay um no it's miss anyone we just have like very locked access to raise your hand if you buy stuff online um okay so you know that's just a lesson to keep to keep and just going back to the ad already or a second I mean I don't think that you can just be a person you don't have to be a personal brand not every single role in this industry is visible there are a lot of people behind the scenes so I think that you should monitor everything that you put into the universe it should be positive it should you know you should make great relationships you should present yourself in the best positive light but sometimes when you start concept in yourself as a personal brand it comes along this comes off as a little bit pretentious in the early career and it can be a turnoff to employers it also comes off as a bit distracting sometimes as you say yeah um which brings me to my next question in a fancy notebook okay in an industry that really is all about aesthetics how do you get recognized for your talent and not for your handbag hard work okay oh there's no secret it's the same as any other industry you know you have to be dedicated and hardworking and a team player okay I think that goes back to sort of the principles of the company that you work for as well like I've worked for companies that were extremely superficial and I've worked for companies in which that doesn't matter at all so and I find that I was a better match for the companies that weren't superficial so you know you're able to excel in that environment but you know you just want to align and work for a place that shares your same principles and if you are really about your image then I'm sure you can find a company that will appreciate okay very diplomatic it's true no it's great um I think probably among you know the four of you there's probably 10 to 15 you know jobs that you've already had so I want to ask a little bit about what if you're just starting out what should you look for you know what if it's not your dream job what if you thought you were going to be a fashion editor and someone offers you a job at kc d you know what if you've always wanted to work at tumblr and somebody at Instagram calls you you know what if it's in the industry but it's not what you wanted what advice would you give to people who you know took an interview because they thought it would be a good experience and now all of a sudden they have a job you know on their plate that isn't their dream that happens to most people it dead one no one gets their dream job at their first job and if you I mean you probably not even qualified for your dream job right away right so I would say if it's in your industry I would say take it the experience is getting as much experience as you can is incredible and you know if you get a job at Instagram and you want to warp it work at tumblr once you finish you know working for Fears in instagram tumblr will be happy that you've had that experience you know you have the experience in social media you have the background that they're looking for so as long as you feel that when you you interview or you're getting this job that you're going to learn from it that I mean having a leader a good leader is important to me so someone that you feel like you can learn from and that you're going to connect well with I would I would definitely say take it and if it's paying in New York and it's fashion definitely take it again yeah my big advice is sort of like to really kind of know the companies that you want to work for for example if your first job is not with you know that you know dream company or those top five but you should really still you know go into an any company know everything about them you know how the culture works you know read all the press materials on them we told you know social media hits look at all their strategies really you know globally and nationally because I think it's very very important and you know when you have sort of hell like those five companies the three companies are always in your mind then you're paying attention then sometimes you know I have you know I have a lot of friends that always had a drink company in mind and it become disappointed wants to go into it but if you you know if you know sort of what you love and what you look for and you really are sort of like kind of you know mentally prepared for it and you know what to expect and for example if you want to write for a magazine and you know the tone of the magazine it mean that couldn't be more important you know or the tone of in certain you know PR company so I think it's you know it's very very important to be prepared and really really do your homework you know okay I would say be careful of going to far down the wrong path but you know that considered all experience can be great I worked as a paralegal for a little while after college because I thought I was going to go to loss of to law school and be a fashion lawyer you know I was akola still apply it to my interest there's this woman Betsy Pierce who does the contracts for an RC servo driguez and everybody and I was like I'm gonna be just like that and I worked in a firm for about nine months and hated every minute of it but a lot of that experience has been really valuable even when I was interviewing at different magazines I felt like it was sort of a blight on my resume and they would say you don't know how many people come through here that have that experience and actually it teaches you to be really organized and we know you're used to working hard and professionally so right it can all connect um and that leads me to you the next question which is what kind of discoveries have you guys made um in there like in a wrong job or inner you know in a wrong time I don't know that I've had discoveries per se but to your point I think in working on in different facets of the industry you learn how other sectors operate which allows you to do your job better so even though now I'm a work as a publicist I have previous experience in sales and it's interesting to see like how press responds first how consumers may respond and like just having that sort of information yeah that's good dead bad question farron bad questions um oh shoot does that mean it's time for questions so but what five minutes until questions Oh five minutes into the questions okay shoot see they come in with these signs and you're like oh I really do feel like I'm on The Price is Right a little bit okay so we have five minutes left before people lost better questions that I'm asking um so let's talk a little bit about what you look for when you hire someone because of you all work for companies that are really amazing and I've got a lot of people here want to be hired by you oh so let's talk about that first of all sending an email do you prefer it to be really formal or do you prefer someone to send you an email that just says hi I learned about you from this person or from this event you know here's my resume how do you ever heard me how to read the better rest you have to read about it okay yeah I didn't ever read a cover letter okay yeah cover letters are very like 1999 yeah I'm gonna do that so I mean just like three pair you know like just three lines if somebody has a tumblr that they lie but we actually I tried to keep like an open-door policy actually pull the bloggers and your companion one there drops oh you know we even try to invite them for breakfasts two lunches whenever we have time to do so but I I never looked for like super like elaborate you know over crazy resumes I think it's really more about the passion of a person and what they are and you know in my previous job I had to hire a lot of writers more than a dozen and you always you know you know the person that seems to have that perfectly you know aligned you know editorial in you know resume is never the one that's going to be good at the job it's someone that's going to be just have that sparkle have that passion and just have you know really really sort of you know desire to be part of the industry and polka marker phone that you know michael kors because it was always a dream and you know and sometimes that person is really really gonna you know do something meaningful so and a tumblr i just kind of look for passion people that just uh friendly and really have what some clothes and tumblers as well yeah I have actually the opposite point of view I think because I come from where the European side of it um I think that America's too casual if someone just said hi to me and I've never met you before I would immediately not read your email so I think like good morning good afternoon this is my name this is how I know you this is what I want to do like you present yourself well because I think an email is like presenting yourself aesthetically physically and I think it's your first form of communication with someone before meeting them so I think that any emotion be quite formal but I also write formal text messages so I mean I kind of go beyond that but I think it translates though for us and for our business you know we're working with our clients which might be a designer it might be a big company but we're also working with our perfumers we're working with our suppliers so we're constantly on email communication and we to know that you can communicate with us when you're trying to get a position you can communicate with anyone we need you to communicate with if we give you that job so that it's important she's a little more formal than I am in that sense but I think it's important to show that you have that sense of communication in that and you can you know approach someone effectively I'm old-fashioned I really appreciate a thank you note that you appreciate you know being able to sit down with me and maybe working for me i definitely look for passionate people but that said no sloppiness I agree you know I don't like things that are overly formal from people I've never I mean overly casual from people I've never met before and if there any typos or misspellings I immediately delete it yeah that's amazing yeah it's amazing because I feel that if you don't have the time to be professional in your email to me or your own resume how can I trust you not to be sloppy with these really expensive garments that my client zone so I guess what we're hearing is that you should really try and find out something about the culture of the company because some people prefer something quite formal and some people are like this is the best tumbler in the world let's have breakfast oh also I just noticed as she's talking about preferring formal things that were totally in like a rainbow from like most casual to lease casual clothing sort of awesome anyway ah ok last super quick question before we go to your questions fill in the blank game the first thing I do on a monday morning is not like eating breakfast like once you're in the office yeah it's depressing but I wake up and look at the emails on my phone look at emails on your phone I look at 1400 for fourteen hundred and seven tumblers on my feet like but I spent about three hours every single Monday doing that yeah I I post to our blog okay I smell all the modifications they came in on Friday I make to do lists unposted you do I do how many um how many posts yeah should I just one or two a day but I like to cross it all off as I go and stay organized in focus okay I read about 50 blogs like yeah not kidding Barkley girl go for it um you were talking about like when you first go for a job where are some tips for someone that's like their first interview ever you don't know what to do you don't what's overkill what's too casual like just what should you do for your first interview is I've I guess I'll start by saying that it really depends on the company which is why doing research is key um you're never gonna have the same interview at you know any job that you go to because the culture of the office is going to be different um that said I think there are probably some basics that you should always do I'll start and say it shocks me when people come to see me and I've called them in for an interview and they don't have a copy of their resume it's amazing like and I don't care if it's on a piece of paper or if it's on your iPad but not coming in with that basic piece of information is insanely underprepared I think that you have to be yourself in an interview because if you can't sit down and have a conversation with the interviewee and not be nervous then we would be apprehensive about putting you in front of clients so and also you need to be yourself because if you're putting forward any type of pretense and you're not the right fit for the company then that will surface down the line so yeah yeah be yourself I i would say that I you need to show that you've done some research on the company so you need to ask some questions and just show that you're taking an interest and who you're interviewing with and the company you're interviewing with I I can't tell you how many people have asked you know as if we're twins which which clearly we are and I mean that's obvious but if you've done any research on the company you would know that you know at least we're sisters and and it's one of those questions that you're kind of like do you know where you are yeah you're in the right place but I would also say I mean empower yourself a little bit you're coming with a lot of Education you have a lot of passion this is also an interview for you and you're interviewing the company as well and so don't be you know kind of on top of them but you also want to gather information with them to see if it's the right fit for you whether it's an internship or your first job you want to see if also you're going to add value to that company and for yourself in your own professional advancement I think that um because a lot of you guys are coming from school your first instinct is to tell us what you like and what we'll do for you what you can learn from us and what you know but that's not what a job interview is a job interview is you saying this is how I'm gonna make your life easier this is how I'm going to make your job easier this is how I'm going to contribute to your company and I think all too often when people talk about what they're going to bring to the company it's what they're going to learn from us which is lovely and wonderful but it's not the purpose of a job um the second thing is actually of something that Kelly Cutrone once said and it's always stuck with me which is that you should never wear something conspicuously more expensive than what your boss has and it's it's a good piece of advice you know I mean absolutely you want to look like you care about fashion but maybe leave the head-to-toe Chanel ensemble at home well and you won't be able to negotiate your salary very well yeah you coming from the bag yes okay next question hi my name is Angela I would question about career changing because I graduated started a career on more like the business side of fashion and I want to do fashion writing so for someone who has kind of some experience but not much an experience of the field that I would like to go in what advice do you have for that pursue your passion and just because you're on one track doesn't mean you have to stay on it I mean I know of speaking from personal experience I studied journalism in college I thought it would be a writer I worked in retail after college then I went and was working for an accessories design firm then I went back and did marketing in a retail company now I DPR like I had not ever thought of that path for myself but it all worked out and I think the industry is very receptive to change and you just kind of have to if you want to be a writer start I hate the word blog what start a blog whatever you know like start writing and bring that to your interview I would also say that um one of the it's weird i can come opposite advice please don't start a blog um does the foundry faster oh I think that um if you're already in the industry you already have contacts and so you should use what you have and meet with everyone that you possibly can who you know is on the writing side and I think that you should start if you can trying to pitch you know stories to smaller publications or smaller fashion you know blogs because if you came to an interview and said I want to be a fashion writer and you have an entire blog that you'd written yourself or you had three really good clips from like refinery29 and like one clip in the observer and one clip you know in time out that to me would be much stronger because it shows that you can work as part of a team you know and it shows that you're not just writing in your own head so I would say it's a practice you're right it is um so sure but that doesn't mean ya to the Goldbergs point that you want to put everything you're writing with no editing yeah on the internet you know what I mean I think the opportunities right now are you know much more democratic than they were like about a decade ago you know there's so many digital components to pretty much every single publication you want to do yourself a favor you want to try it out you want to you know contribute a free clip to like parents set to two or three publication and see that's what you like maybe maybe want to be supervision stay in touch and business anyway and you know went into writing in first place but it's you know you want to do yourself a favor and try both and you know see that that's right hit play or not and I would say if you're switching careers or switching ideas don't be afraid to take a couple steps backwards because sometimes that will happen so you know you're progressing on one path and then you decide Oh actually I'm more interested in doing something else but they want to give me you know the same salary or they want to give me a lower title or something it's kind of what you have to do you can expect to make a you know a lateral move but if it's something you really want to do then it's worth pursuing cool anybody I have a question you do yeah okay I'll hold a mic too well because I've been sitting here very curious this is alternative careers and I want to know how do you end up sending a fashion show how do you end up now archiving clothes for a living like all of you guys have super unique careers and you've all started in ways that like you know people can relate to but you've ended up in these places that are really like you know really unique so can you tell me how you sent a fashion show and maybe just down the line I would love to hear it well I guess the first the first store we scented was a friend of mine who I went to college with who happens to be the son of the boat egg event it's a family but when I moved to Paris they had sold bowtie gets a Gucci years before and he was starting his own accessories brand and he was opening his shop in Palais Royale so he sent to the shop and through him and through at the same time I had done a perfume for Kylie Minogue because I did all the celebrity perfumes are Cody for eight years or something like that I'd met a friend of my friend and he was with Kylie at a restaurant and they just happened to be there and I met them together and then I don't know about a month later I was having lunch with him and I was geeking out about my thesis I had also gone to grad school twice and perfumery school i'm a big fan of school and and I was kind of geeking out about my thesis which was effective branding and he is the owner of yerba talk which is one of the very large fashion production companies he also happens to be the creative director of rodarte and so I was kind of going on and on all in my head and he was like well do you want to send the rodarte show for me I was like yeah sure what does that like I had no idea what that when I was like of course I can set a fashion show and that's actually when I turned her on to her and i was like we're gonna send a fashion show she was like how are we gonna do that i was like i have no idea but then I mean I'm of course we figured out how to do it I mean it took a lot of at the time a little a lot of technology that didn't really exist so it was a lot of playing around with how to do it but then we started sending lots of fashion shows up to though you know the moral I guess is the story of how we started you know senting fashion shows is that it's all three connections of people we knew you know from way back laner people we met in a new place and we're so passionate about what we do and we talk about our company and our idea all the time and when you talk about it people get really excited and that's how we've scented all these other shows and that's how we continually will we just be sitting and we'll meet a designer and we'll talk about what we do and they'll be like you should send my next show so it's less about kind of pitching them and it's about using our network and just and talking to people about what we love doing and somehow we created a industry out of it I totally fell into what i do and i took some steps backwards to get where I am actually I started out as a fashion writer and I was hired to be on the launch team of a magazine that was described to me is going to be a weekly fashion magazine you know very service II with a strong anchor in fashion and that magazine turned out to be life in style which was very celebrity focused and that was back in the early 2000s when celebrity was really sort of hitting fever pitch is something that everyone was obsessed with in Paris Hilton yes and it was really not what I was very passionate about so I went back to grad school and got my masters in the history of fashion and textiles and I figured well if nothing else I'll really be a wonderful fashion writer because I'll know the history of my subject and while I was in school I sort of fell into museum and gallery work I worked in some designers archives and right out of school I interviewed at style calm and I interviewed with Tom Ford within two weeks of each other and Tom Ford offered me the job first so here I am a beast and I worked in-house for mr. Ford for a few years and then I started my own company and he remains a client of mine but now I also work with other designers and private people and that's where I met but it was not something I would have predicted yeah I think it's just about you know being you know open about what you do and we meet with I happen to work with like to Humber a lot before I started working there I thought you know a lot of their own initiatives but you know again you know sort of when they needed somebody last minute to kind of come in and you know freelance to do fashion we program for them and like with three days notice i felt like i could do it and it was fun and was amazing and people were squared us as i thought they would be but I think sort of like you know more layers just really be in touch with everyone you kind of come in contact with and because it seems like you know New York is huge and intimidating and there you know millions and millions of people there in the industry they're probably about fifty sixty seventy thousand people but then weirdly everything always connecting and then you see people at the same event since like sometimes it is like the episode of their the heels of the city whichever whichever one you know because yeah you get to work with a lot of people to interact with two years and years and sometimes you don't see someone for you know for years and then you sitting in the medium or boardroom with them and you have to you know work on a huge project with them so I'm always really be in touch with everyone be you know I think Lincoln probably helps a lot to you know these days you know with with a lot of special folks and you know so do other resources but yes stay on top of your contacts and be creative yeah I probably have the most traditional role out of anyone on the panel but when i started at three years ago it didn't exist k CD is a traditional PR and production company and they hadn't done anything in digital but knew that they wanted to and I actually I was working in traditional marketing and was looking for something to do more online and had had some experience with the current company and I was introduced to kc d through my former boss who was a former freelancer at kc d and we met and they didn't really know what they wanted the role to be and i didn't really know what I wanted to do but we felt like we meshed and then I felt like we were dating i interviewed for like six months and it is a lot like dating we you know they thought maybe we'll go on a production route maybe we'll go and more of a PR digital social media route and they ended up choosing me and now i have three other employees that work with me we went from zero to ten clients and okay we're busy whoo all right so this is the part where you all get to hate me because they told me that we had to wrap it up even though I know you have a lot of questions um the good news is that we are all here and also we're all very easy to reach online um so if you still have a question you should come find us or come contact us and you're all really awesome and yay go you thank you guys you